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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: What does one look like? |
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Hi all,
What 'specifically' is a 'blockage' (as referred to in EFT) and what does one look like?
Thoughts?
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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EFT claims to heal blockages in energy flow.
The theory of energy (as espoused by certain practitioners) is that energy runs through your body primarily via meridians.
This flow of energy can be disturbed, reversed, blocked, and of course restored, depending on various factors.
EFT claims that the source of negative emotions is blocked (or sometimes reversed) energy. It claims to restore these flows, thereby leading to a healthier and happier mental and physical state.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | | EFT claims that the source of negative emotions is blocked (or sometimes reversed) energy. It claims to restore these flows, thereby leading to a healthier and happier mental and physical state. |
OK, but what does it look like? |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | OK, but what does it look like? |
Do you mean, like a dam or a break in a wire?
I don't think that energy "looks" like anything, because it doesn't reflect light waves.
Assuming that the explanation behind EFT is valid, then I don't believe that it's possible to devise a device to "see" energy or a break in the energy. It would be detectable through other means, presumably electric or chemical, as those are the body's two primary means of self-communication.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| So is there any evidence that 'energy' and these 'blockages' actually exist? |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well, the simple and trite answer is that we know energy exists, that the body uses it, and that energy flows through the body in many different directions.
With regard to the specific type of energy that EFT refers to, to my knowledge we have only this:
- There is some evidence of meridians.
- There is some anecdotal evidence of so-called subtle energies (some of the anecdotes are quite astonishing).
- There is some experimental evidence of these energies, or at least something that seems to be similar.
None of this is empirical or convincing, of course. Whether subtle energies really do exist, whether some of them flow through meridians as noted in acupuncture, and whether it's meaningful to talk about "blocked energy", I could not say.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: |
- There is some evidence of meridians.
- There is some anecdotal evidence of so-called subtle energies (some of the anecdotes are quite astonishing).
- There is some experimental evidence of these energies, or at least something that seems to be similar.
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Can you share the evidence with us or at least point us in the right direction?
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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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I'll point you to Donna Eden's excellent book Energy Medicine. It contains many references in the back, some of which refer to research on meridians.
As I said, this evidence is not conclusive, so take it for what it's worth.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | I'll point you to Donna Eden's excellent book Energy Medicine. It contains many references in the back, some of which refer to research on meridians.
As I said, this evidence is not conclusive, so take it for what it's worth.
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It would be great if you could mention a few bit of research here, so that we can discuss.
I am not up much for reading Donna Eden's stuff, but would like to know of the research that has been conducted. |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: |
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As you can tell from my postings, this is not an area that I've followed up. I tend to dismiss the stated reasons that those therapies and methods work. (I'll leave it to interested readers to follow up.)
However, I retain an open mind, because some of the things that some people have reported to me (with third-party validation) have left me feeling, as that Bard said, "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Again, it's all anecdotal, so still prone to error. No scientific confirmation as yet.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:30 am Post subject: |
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But you made the point that there was 'evidence' and 'anecdotal evidence'.
Are you now saying that this is not the case? And that there is actually only anecdotal evidence?
What is this anecdotal evidence anyway? |
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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No, I'm not saying that's the case.
Eden's book is an excellent place to start for both anecdotes and for references to research.
I've had other anecdotes given to me from others, which third parties have confirmed. Naturally, giving those to you is pointless as it doesn't constitute empirical evidence.
I was simply answering your questions about what a "blockage" might be. It doesn't mean that I agree with the definition or even that such a thing exists.
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Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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OK...
I guess that if you are not open to share the evidence that Eden presents then I will just have to happen on the info next time I am in the vicinity of her book.
Shame really... This could have been an interesting topic to discuss in full.
I have had a lot of discussions with people that claim 'evidence' but then back down when I ask them to bring it into the open. This closes open debates as we keep the 'evidence' off the table.
Of course, I am not implying that this is what you are doing.  |
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | I have had a lot of discussions with people that claim 'evidence' but then back down when I ask them to bring it into the open. This closes open debates as we keep the 'evidence' off the table. |
I've seen quite a lot of this on other forums. Sadly, certain practitioners resort to name-calling or straw-man arguments when faced with this.
I think -- perhaps -- that those practitioners are so enthusiastic about their therapies that they fail to recognise the limitations (every therapy has its limitations, and no therapy is 100% successful).
When certain therapies work, but there is little empirical evidence, then one has to ask, "What's going on?"
I wish I knew!
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