The Secret

[Gandalf]

The secret is afilm topped to the brim with NLP etc, has anyone seen it?
I keep on seeing the adverts in books shops for this but I am not sure if its a hit or a miss?

Can anyone rate it?

[PhoenixDawn]

Hi Gandalf

Yeah, I've had a copy ever since it was released, and I admit I've recommended it to bag loads of people. I like it for it's simplicity of approach, and still watch it from time to time.

It has worked tremendously well on my daughter, in her early 20's, who found it hard to work with 'mum' as I'm too close, with some serious issues in her life, and did not wish to go through the traditional routes either. It was right for her at the time, and now she works through stuff with me or a colleague more readily.

It is a good basic interpretation of many nlp and metaphysical philosophies that can be applied directly to life for an (almost) immediate impact. It could go much, much further than it does, though then, that would be a series of films, some of which are covered by the What the Bleep Do We Know and Down the Rabbit-hole series of films. The latter of which, I would be more cautious as to whom I recommend it as they can get a bit deep and tedious if its out of your realm of thought at the time more because it labours largely on quantum physics.

It definitely has generated a love-it or hate-it response across several industries. Personally, I believe it would be beneficial to respect it for the work that it is and if it applies a beneficial philosophy that alters someone's thinking for their greater good, then what's the purpose of crushing it and taking it away from them? Otherwise that would be the same as ignoring the presuppositions of nlp anyhow!

It achieves what it sets out to do, to outline the basic principles of the book The Science of Getting Rich.

[Gandalf]

[PhoenixDawn]

Hi Gandalf!

I read "Excuse Me Your Life is Waiting" some 4 or 5 years ago as part of my coaching qualification, and have recommended it to many of my clients where it has been appropriate to them since then. I recently read a promotion that someone has released a follow-up book to it called "Excuse Me Your Life is Now".

I haven't ordered it yet, simply because I've a major pile of books presently wading through for my current studies, and Amazon have emailed to say more have been despatched!

I like "The Dark Side of the Light Chasers" by Debbie Ford too, as it has given me a nice basis to explain to clients why it isn't dire that they have to be perfect, etc. Have you read it?

The Down The Rabbit Hole series takes the main story from What the Bleep, and then offers you five more discs each taking a different Rabbit Hole from the Main Story and showing how the diverse philosophies can be journeyed from there. Great for parallel universe type insights.

For The Secret, take a look at their website www.thesecret.tv and you can pay about £3 to watch it online if you're not bothered about owning your own copy.

Ironically, I got the first copy, and they later amended it and released a new version with Esther Hicks edited out of the new one. Turns out there'd been an outcry from the scientific/medical establishment regarding her use of the term 'vibration' in her segment when referring to the way our thought projections manifest our daily perception of 'reality'.

[Gandalf]

PheonixDawn Hi,

Yes I do like Debbie Ford too, she has a great style in terms of writing. I do know the 'Rabbilt hole series' I did not realise they were the add on to the 'Bleep' film, I wasn't too sure after watching 'Bleep' It seemed that the trailers to the 'Bleep' film didn't all seem to show up in the film? Maybe I did what you did with the secret in purchasing an early edition!?

I understand the scientific crowd not liking the usage of 'Vibrations' but I can't think why the Medical establishments would buck against it in that way.. I suppose it depends on the context of the usage.

To me alot of this is in trying to either link together Science and holistic therapies together, in a way its in trying to decode the works of Carl Jung, Eienstein, Freud and many others..

I think almost everything that can be said scientifically can also be translated into morse coded holistic terms.

I suppose that after the 60's and John lennon disappeared they have to help people make next level understanding in other ways.. I don't really know who I mean when I say, 'They,' but they do, Don't they?

Don't burn me at the stake, this is, only my thoughts right now, they may and sometimes do... Change

[Trudy]

My husband read The Secret for a bit, and put it aside. I didn't even try, based on some of the things he read to me.

The biggest objection to the book, in our household, is it takes principles used in pagan practices, and we are pagan, and packages them for use by those who object to pagan practices.

On one hand, anything that helps people live their lives as they intend is probably beneficial. On the other hand, it has created resentment for some of us who deal with disapproval for exercising the same principles and practices, on an almost daily basis.

I am glad people find the information useful, and will be happier when they make the connection between the principles addressed, and pagan practices.

[PhoenixDawn]

Hi Trudy - good to hear from you. Welcome to the Forum and to the discussion!

I hear what you are saying. However, my personal view is that rather than concern myself with whether its Paganism or anything else, it's more appropriate for me to consider the benefits it may provide the individual over the long term regardless whether they have an understanding of its roots initially or not.

Indeed, if you consider they've taken so much from Paganism, then surely you would be complimented and utilise this to help others see Paganism in a more balanced light?

Naturally, this is only a personal view. I'm interested in many faith and life practices including Paganism, though I'm in agreement with anything that would give an enlightened introduction to a negative unenlightened soul.

So please understand, I'm on your side.

[PhoenixDawn]

Hi Gandalf

Burn you at the stake? Now there's an interesting image? Curious as to the purpose I would do that though?

I agree with you THEY do seem to wish to clear up the scientific - holistic duality that's been prevalent for so long. In which case, I guess that makes me one of the THEY to some extent, as I'm researching, running some practical projects, and seeking ways to identify the holistic with scientific evidence as we speak, very much focussed on altered states.

Have you read any of Michael Talbot such as The Holographic Universe?

[Gandalf]

[Trudy]

Has anyone here compared "The Secret" to the Shirley Maclaine books - I can't think of their names. I think one was called "You Can Get There From Here", or something similar.

How does her message compare to The Secret? It seems that both deal with "invisible energies" floating around in nature waiting to be used.

Any thoughts?

[PhoenixDawn]

I haven't read Shirley Maclaine, though from the sound of it, then yes, it would be similar principles. There are a plethora of books along this theme:

The Attractor Factor - Joe Vitale
Lifes Missing Instruction Manual - Joe Vitale
The Field - Lynne McTaggart
The Divine Matrix - Gregg Braden
The Intention Experiment - Lynne McTaggart
The Amazing Power of Deliberate Intent - Esther & Jerry Hicks
The Astonishing Power of Emotions - Esther & Jerry Hicks

and so the list will eternally go on ....... with new ones arriving on the shelves almost daily.

The Secret mainly takes its theme from The Science of Getting Rich by Wallace Wattles - which is readily downloadable and is often given away as a freebie. If, by way of chance you want it and don't find it, I'd email you a copy.

[Trudy]

[Gandalf]

[PhoenixDawn]

Hi Gandalf

I hear you and agree. I'd rather receive the same information in too many ways than not enough, and I love the variety of solutions that come through this way.