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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| jamesdeen wrote: | I have played with the pendulum phenomenon before and it does seem to work for me, I'm pleased to say.
My difficulty is with generalising it. I understand the principle of 'imagine,then experience' but maybe my imagination is too poor to conjour a realistic experience. |
What happens when you focus on negative things that just seem to pop into your head? Is your imagination ok then? For most people it is just a case of practice, practice and then when you think you have it - practice again.
Good things come to those who wait - and practice!
Remember, thoughts grow with attention! See here - Who'd of thought that a thought could be so powerful!
Keep up updated on your progress! |
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gilipsie Starter Member

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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| So I have a question as a newbie. Is there different types of hypno's? |
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jamesdeen Starter Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I have been trying. I have tried reading more fictional books and trying to imagine what is happening, to practise imagining things, but I'm as useless as ever.
Are there any tips or exercises you can think of that I could try to boost my imagination? |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 490 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | | First of all, what precisely are you attempting to achieve with self-hypnosis? |
| jamesdeen wrote: | | I'm looking for various things ultimately, but for a start, just looking to de-stress, and boost my self confidence |
James, I'm returning to the very first question. It seems to me that you're searching for something. "De-stress" and "boost my self confidence" are fairly vague terms.
Self-confidence is something that we're born with, and we learn to pull ourselves down with our thoughts and self-talk. Actually, self-confidence doesn't exist. If a child (say) wishes to grab a stick, he just reaches out and grabs it. He isn't feeling "confidence", he's just feeling, perhaps, curious and delighted.
If his mother keeps shouting at him, then he doesn't "lose" his confidence; rather, he gains a fear of grabbing the stick.
If you feel a "lack of self-confidence", then, really, you're telling us that you feel an excess of self-doubt or self-guilt or something similar.
So, let's get a bit more specific.
Question 1: When you feel this thing that you've been calling a lack of self-confidence, what is it that you actually feel? Next time you're in that situation, notice what you are feeling (rather than what you're not feeling, which would be confidence). And when you feel those inhibiting feelings, what would you rather feel? What feelings would serve you better?
Question 2: If you're looking to de-stress, then my questions are, "What things are stressing you?" and "How do you make yourself stressed over those things?"
Let's start with that and see where it leads.
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jamesdeen Starter Member

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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I find myself somewhat frustrated at my inability to communicate what I had assumed was a fairly simple concept.
I would like to learn a skill. That skill being self hypnosis.
I know that people can learn this skill, and I would like to learn it.
I have tried, using the methods I mentioned, but have only had limited success.
I had thought that this would be an appropriate place to ask for assitance / guidance / advice.
I do appreciate your interest in my motivations, but I do not see how they are truely relevant.
There is a saying "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime"
In addressing my 'lack of confidence' or 'excess of fear', however you wish to phrase it, you are metaphorically giving me a fish. Yummy. But I'd like to learn how to fish for myself, if that makes sense.
I am reluctant to answer your specific questions because to do so, I fear, would lead into a discussion that is at best tangential to the one I am looking to have. However, for the sake of completeness:
I think the concept of confidence is well defined and understood by many millions of people. I am well known among people who know me for being unable to coherently describe anything, but I will give it a go:
To lack confidence is be slightly fearful that one is making an error, or about to make an error, or about to find themself in a situation were they might make an error of some kind. This would lead to a feeling of uneasiness.
To illustrate my understanding further, perhaps it is useful to describe the opposite, namely confidence. This is a feeling of being at ease in your surroundings. Not worrying that you will find yourself in an awkward position. Moreover, it is a feeling of certainty or high probability that you will be able to cope easily with future situations without making any error.
By error, in the above, I include a broad range of things, including social gaffs, lapses in judgement, and life-and-death mistakes.
Stress is a word that is less well defined than confidence, but I can't beleive that you don't understand what is meant by it.
I mean, specifically, things such as being expected do/be/acheive/carry out certain things, and the pressure associated with having to live up to such expectations.
How do I male myself stressed? I strive to meet these expectations when I think that to do so is appropriate and beneficial. |
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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:30 am Post subject: |
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jamesdeen,
Have you thought about sitting with a Hypnotherapist and learning the skill of Self Hypnosis? |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| jamesdeen wrote: | | I would like to learn a skill. That skill being self hypnosis. |
OK, James, you used to be able to do self-hypnosis, and now you can't.
Something changed, and you don't know what it is.
You would like to re-learn this skill.
You have asked for help on this forum.
Now, I've already given you help by giving you recommendations. I have even given you a specific book recommendation. If you don't like that specific book, then that's fine; you can find others from the library or bookshop, or you can go to your local hypnotherapist.
I'm certainly not going to reinvent the wheel and write an entire book's worth on this forum.
You did answer my question:
| jamesdeen wrote: | | ... confidence. This is a feeling of being at ease in your surroundings. Not worrying that you will find yourself in an awkward position. Moreover, it is a feeling of certainty or high probability that you will be able to cope easily with future situations without making any error. |
OK, I have a comment. You cannot possibly be certain or close to certain that you will not make any error. Making errors is part of being human and is necessary to the learning and growing process. You will also find yourself in awkward situations. Not often, but it happens.
For example, I have participated in this and other forums a lot. Do you suppose that I've never made an error? Look around and you'll find that I've made more than one in this forum alone.
May I suggest two small but important modifications:
This is a feeling of being at ease in your surroundings. Not worrying about it when you find yourself in an awkward position. Moreover, it is a feeling of certainty or high probability that you will be able to cope easily with future situations including when you make an error.
| jamesdeen wrote: | | Stress is a word that is less well defined than confidence, but I can't beleive that you don't understand what is meant by it. |
I know the meaning of stress. My questions were more specific. But in the light of your request, perhaps you want to follow the initial advice and seek out a good quality book or a local hypnotherapist.
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jamesdeen Starter Member

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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
This discussion has notw gone full circle, so i think it's in everybody's interest to bring it to a close.
Thank you Paddy Landau, and thank you too hypno-therapist.
You have patiently answered my questions, and responded to my rantings. I have been incoherent, awkward and rude and you have doggedly stuck with it, and continued trying to help me. Sincere thanks for your efforts, and persistance. I will follow up on the advice that you have given out, and I am sure that in time, with your help, I will acheive my goal. |
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crunkyjens Starter Member

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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Wow it was very interesting to read through this post. I had no idea one could self-hypnotise themselves. What would be the main purpose of someone doing something like this? If you are under hypnosis how can you be in control of yourself to do anything, to make changes to things you want to change through this method? If that makes sense...hopefully it does. |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| crunkyjens wrote: | | If you are under hypnosis how can you be in control of yourself to do anything, to make changes to things you want to change through this method? |
I suspect you are presuming that when under hypnosis, you are under the full control of the hypnotist and are not conscious.
In fact, that is not the case. You are always in control of yourself. If you are unconscious (as sometimes happens with hypnosis), then your subconscious is there on guard.
With self-hypnosis, if you fall unconscious, we call that "sleeping".
The purpose of self-hypnosis is the same as for any other hypnosis: To access and engage your unconscious mind more fully.
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Barry Thain Starter Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: Self-Hypnosis |
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Let me say firstly that I don't think there's any such thing as self-hypnosis. I know of no state I can put myself in where I can make myself forget my name. But I can hypnotise other people and make them forget, well, everything. I can't do that to me.
If you go on a course to learn they will teach you to some method that will probably go like this. Count down from 20 to zero on every third out breath. When you want to come up again count from zero to 20 on consecutive in-breaths. The rest of the day will be padding to justify the fee.
That will get you relaxed, but it won't get you hypnotised.
Best wishes
barry
http://www.mindsci-clinic.com |
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karmanetics Starter Member

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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| why not try listening to the cd again, but this time concentrate on each and every breath. Breathing is usually controlled by the subconcious mind, if you do it, thatīs one less task, and creates a link. never fails. |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Self-Hypnosis |
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| Barry Thain wrote: | | Let me say firstly that I don't think there's any such thing as self-hypnosis. |
Barry, remember that you and I don't use the same definition of hypnosis.
Actually, it may be illuminating if you'd post your definition of hypnosis here.
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R1986 Starter Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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I found this thread pretty illuminating as well, reading it as a good introduction to self-hypnosis which I didn't know much of anything about before reading.
I think that a lot of times many people make the mistake of thinking that they can find quick or convenient answers in any kind of psychotherapy and hypnosis is no different. Many of these disciplines require comprehensive and ongoing research as well as commitment and determination in order to make proper use of.
Good luck jamesdeen. |
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