Shall we begine?

[Paul Hastings]

Hi
Any NLP practitioners out there?

Ok I will start this off.
I have been using NLP for a long time.
I am a Neuro Linguistic Programmer and a trainer for Dr Richard Bandler.
Been taught by
? Dr Richard Bandler.
? Ross Jeffries.
? Duncan McColl.
? Tony Robbins.
? Dr Jack La Tourrette.
? Paul McKenna
? Dr Yates Canipe.
? John Lavelle.
? Major Mark Cummings.
? Tom Vizzini.
? Kim MacFadden.
? Michael Breen.

Any comments to get this rolling?

[hypno-therapist]

Hi Paul,

[Paul Hastings]

Trainers training.
That was a while back 1998. the best way to find out what is done now would be to contact a training company.

However
From what I remember.
Refining our skills in advanced NLP.
Lots of practice on each other.
Having to present outrageous personalities, in front of camera.
One of the final tests was to be on stage at the Barbican in front of cameras and present a 5 min spot.
Use of a stage and special anchoring.
Use of a mike.
Using comedy in your presentation.
Extremes of states.
Some work was done with DHE.
Lots of hypnosis done by Richard.

This may have been the course that Paul McKenna brought in a celeb friend and Paul and Michele modelled him so that we could learn how to borrow some of his skills.

[hypno-therapist]

Paul, I remember hearing you talk about DHE here in Oxford - it was very interesting! Maybe you could share some more info on the subject in a new thread here on the forum, so that other members can learn and debate it?

[Paul Hastings]

Design Human Engineering is about engineering pervasive change accomplished through understanding how all our models of the world fit together to make pervasive model shifts, which then change the entire focus of of an entire life engaged in an area of behavior in-time, through-time and between-times.

We begin to engineer in a generative and evolutionary way, by a developed understanding of simultaneous models.

Well that is the official explanation.

Paul

[Gandalf]

Paul Hi,

I have a great respect for NLP and all of its many levels. I have done a few basic levels and read alot of material.

I think its a bit overcooked with some things.. Is it me or has it been over complicated? Honestly, what do you think?

*David Beckham was at a press conference in Cork. From the muffled conversations, David replied to the question: “I think they are great because they keep your mouth fresh”. The entire audience went silent and from the back a voice shouted out “No, you stupid Muppet, Tactics”

[Paul Hastings]

Hi Gandalf.
Yes I do think and feel and smell and sense. Sorry.
Yea NLP is made very complicated. By some trainers and therapists.
For years I never bothered to get trained in it as I was put off by all the technical language that you needed back in those days.

I did chose to learn it but only after I started my training with Bandler.
It is really only useful when two neplers get together and need to be specific about stuff.

It tends to be used a lot by people who are attempting to be cleaver. We all do that sometimes.

The above about DHE was because at the time I was having trouble explaining DHE as I use it so to avoid misunderstanding I used one of Richard’s . I fell into the trap.

Order was taken am having great day.
Paul.

[Gandalf]

Paul hi,

I didn't intend to give you the Impression I was picking at your post. I wasn't. I am in fact almost in place where you were..

I have worked closely (Literally hands on) with the public for over 15 years, so having to gain trust, rapport, mirroring etc have all been my work so to speak for a while. Without boring you with my life story (as the violin strikes up in the background) I'm also left handed, all of my life I have had to stand and be taught things (mostly my right handers) constantly thinking, "okay so how will I do that, stand here, hands there etc.." adapting and changing for a lefty

I know there is alot more to it, but as you say, sometimes all that language can be off putting..

It these parts that mildly annoy me in wanting to learn more, some people with alot less natural ability are holding reams and reams of manuals saying, cant do this, thats not NLP etc.. *Excuse me while I counsel myself - Its my issue cause im a lefty, in a right handers world! *Repression bubbles up.......

I guess I need to train with a master such as Bandler or Mkenna, first I need to win the lottery..

What do you think of Bandler Vs Grinder? which side of the fence do you sit?

[Paul Hastings]

Hi Gandalf.
No way did I think you were picking at my post.
When I re-read the bull I had posted about DHE. If you had pocked at me I deserved it.

Bandler is not really that expensive to learn from. Although I personally believe Richard stopped teaching what he does many years ago. So there are others who you can learn from.

You really have to be in a very deep trance when he teaches to pick up on what he does.

I have only trained with Bandler so I only have that side to look at. By that I mean to trainers level. I also did DHE and personal enhancement with him.

I have trained with people who have done both side e.g. The Doc.

I would assume that Grinder is just as good as Richard.
Maybe it just boils down to which system you feel happy with.

For me Richard’s is the most uncomfortable for me. So I have to get way outside the old zones. Very exciting for me personally. Ross Yates and Mark also pushed me way beyond what I was comfortable with. So I learnt and grew.

I believe that Bandler and Grinder should have patched up their difference many years ago. Communication and all the NLP stuff. Maybe they are just human and have their own glitches .

[Gandalf]

[Paul Hastings]

A bitch fight between them is something to ponder. I know Richard’s view but not John’s .

Mckenna did learn from Bandler. Breen also helped him in many ways.

Paul has his own style that is different from Richard and is playing his own games. Best of luck to him as he is a very nice guy. Like Richard he is different off stage. Paul is not a good photocopy of Richard. John Laval is closer to Richard in some patterns of behavior

Modeling is not quite like that although I have meet some people who have taken deep trance identification to far. They usually end up with certain challenges.

Who is my NLP modeled on?
Me.
I have certain qualities from many and skills from a few. Still learning the skills of many.

Parts of me are based on Richard, Yates, Ross, Mark and the Doc.

The Doc is the area that I practice the most.

All this is in there along with the most important part .


I no longer model parts of me on the guy who taught me to drive. So the idea of basing and using modeling is a great way to start. However there is no point in being a little mini me.

[Gandalf]