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Gandalf
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Everyone hi,
I am hoping that this will the most successful forum!
So far not so good, I am a fully qualifed registered Hypnotherapist, I have been very curious about NLP and alls its 'Glory' so I have been onto 2 ! nlp forums..... How Rude they all are!
Lets just say this, if you suggest to a NLPer that its just very simular, in fact almost the same, As suggestion therapy - They get quite upset! 
So here I am, at last...
"A wizard is never late... he arrives just as he intended..."  |
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Paddy Landau
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Hello Gandalf,
That's quite funny. I don't know what suggestion therapy is, so I can't comment on its similarity or otherwise.
NLP has so many very different aspects, so I imagine that suggestion therapy must likewise have many very different aspects. The core of NLP, of course, is modelling, but that's not what NLP is famous (or infamous) for.
Do you want to share with us a little about what suggestion therapy is?
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hypno-therapist
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Hi Gandalf the White,
Welcome to the forum! Make yourself at home...
@Paddy - Suggestion therapy is an element of Hypnotherapy. |
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Gandalf
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Paddy hi,
Yes it was really general comment. What I was saying about NLP was that, it was just my opinion, that as good as it is, it seemed to me that the founders had simply continued with evolution.
It seems to be agreed by many professional bodies that Psychotherapy was the start of Hypnotherapy to some degree, and it seemed that within the boundaries of Hypno, the 'Reframe' or 'suggestions' made by 'the therapist' were quite sloppy or, could have been alot better!
This is where in my opinion NLP was born, the founders tok the part of presupposition and given it a good ole polish! I still can not make my mind up if it does stand alone?
As Hypno-Therapist says, @Paddy - Suggestion therapy is an element of Hypnotherapy. and likewise - NLP is an element of both really.
Alot of the elements of nlp show up in Hypno.
Its just my thoughts, hope that helps you to uderstand what I meant Paddy?
Now, Im looking for a Hobbit! Have you seen one? |
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Gandalf
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:18 pm Post subject: Gulp... |
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... okay so I just looked at the other Forums... Gulp.. *cap in hand*
I am very curious about NLP, any NLPers that want to give me a full demo or training package *Free , I mean, feel Free.. Yes thats it.
No offense Implied.
Now, where is that Hobbit... *looking* |
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Paddy Landau
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| Gandalf the White wrote: | | ... about NLP ... it seemed to me that the founders had simply continued with evolution. |
No, not at all. Richard Bandler and John Grinder developed a mechanism of precisely modelling people's thoughts and behaviour. The idea was to copy any successful behaviour -- physical and mental -- and to systematically and methodically improve on it.
Because of Bandler's (and possibly Grinder's) specific preferences, they decided to model successful therapists.
The result is that there are two ways to view NLP. One is that it is a modelling and improvement process, which can be (and is) used to improve sports, business practices, politics, teaching, and many other aspects of life. The other, which is the popular view, is that NLP is a type of therapy.
More precisely, it is in fact a collection of therapies, which differ from each other so widely that you cannot place them in a single category.
NLP unashamedly and openly copies anything that works well. Thus, it has elements of hypnosis, miscellaneous language patterns, Miltonian suggestions, chakra work, breathing patterns, energy medicine, and so on and on.
Just as NLP has borrowed from hypnotherapy, so hypnotherapy has borrowed from NLP.
| Gandalf the White wrote: | | It seems to be agreed by many professional bodies that Psychotherapy was the start of Hypnotherapy to some degree... |
Not according to what I've learned. Psychotherapy started, arguably, with Sigmund Freud (depending on your definitions). Hypnosis started, possibly, before written records, but certainly centuries ago. "Hypnotherapy" may be a contentious term to apply to history; if you accept a looser definition, it too started centuries ago.
Milton Erickson was instrumental in getting hypnotherapy approved by psychiatry in the mid-1900's. He also added a number of techniques.
| Gandalf the White wrote: | | As Hypno-Therapist says, @Paddy - Suggestion therapy is an element of Hypnotherapy. and likewise - NLP is an element of both really. |
Thanks for the clarification. I know it by a different name. NLP is not an element of both; rather, NLP contains elements of both.
| Gandalf the White wrote: | | I am very curious about NLP, any NLPers that want to give me a full demo or training package *Free , I mean, feel Free.. Yes thats it. |
An intensive seven-day course (for just the basic NLP concepts) free? Let us know if you find it!
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Gandalf
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject: Re: Home at last... |
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| Gandalf the White wrote: | Lets just say this, if you suggest to a NLPer that its just very simular, in fact almost the same, As suggestion therapy - They get quite upset!
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Well I guess you kind of walked into that one didn't you...  |
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