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beams
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Total separation of the church and state is actually what I think's ideal. But I don't think that's possible because the Church takes charge of what is morally right and morally wrong. In politics, they have laws.
Killings on behalf of religion were definitely unnecessary. What was once the crusades are now suicide bombings in our time. What I don't understand is how their people can believe that killing others is right when it's for religion. |
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hypno-therapist
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | | Biologically, nature has put in quite a few obstacles. Siblings (usually) fight during their formative years, which creates a certain emotional block against mating. |
Hmm... Interested in debating this point further. Do you know of anything that can back this up? The reason that I ask is that this means that 'fighting' is an obstacle against mating... This cant possibly be true, can it? Have you never had a raging argument with a member of the opposite sex that ending in passionate love making?
Or maybe this obstacle just applies to children below the age of 16?
I would be interested in any evidence that incest is indeed unnatural and not just anti-social.
Thoughts? |
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Paddy Landau
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | The reason that I ask is that this means that 'fighting' is an obstacle against mating... This cant possibly be true, can it? Have you never had a raging argument with a member of the opposite sex that ending in passionate love making? |
No. 
| hypno-therapist wrote: | | Do you know of anything that can back this up? |
My comments come from a combination of psychology courses and information gleaned from various science articles. For example, the pheromones were discussed by Carl Sagan on a TV documentary, and I've read it in a couple of science and financial magazines.
Incest is a really bad idea without contraception, and nature does seem to put blocks against it. It's not perfect, by any means, and modern technology (such as soap, deodorants, perfumes and antiperspirants) can totally confuse the natural instincts.
I did read of one case where a pair of (non-identical) twins had been separated at birth. They later met and fell in love. Only when wanting to marry did they discover that they were related.
Would that have happened without the confusion of our technology? I couldn't say, and can't think of any ethical experiment to test it!
There are a number of studies that support instinctive responses. An example that I read is that inter-sibling rivalry results in death fewer times between related siblings than between partly related ones (half-brothers or sisters) or unrelated ones (adopted) -- even when the siblings were unaware of the fact.
Contradictorily, people tend to marry partners who look similar to them facially. Does this mean that you have an instinctive attraction to your own brother or sister? Perhaps. |
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tea
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Also based on psychology classes I've taken so far, humans choose their partners based on certain factors. For females, they choose men who seem to be strong and have well-built bodies, men who physically look like they are very capable of providing for future children. Males, prefer females with wider hips and who have more curves, research shows that both features are signs of the ability to bear a child.
Since these factors generally say nothing about avoiding relatives, then maybe incest wasn't as forbidden as it is now. |
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bridgetjones
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Incest is wrong on so many levels which Paddy has pretty much covered for me.
I know of couples that are first cousins that have had children born with abnormalities as marrying first cousins is quite common in our culture, i cant imagine how bad it would be in incestuous relationships, its very selfish to take the risk.  |
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hypno-therapist
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I wonder if someone could kindly point me to this research that people here are vaguely using to convey that the children born by close relatives in an incestuous relationship are more likely to have abnormalities. I am not saying that they don't I would just like to have this clear.
Lets also remember that we are discussing two topics here. The first being incest and the second being reproduction by couples in a incestuous relationship. I don't agree that the first topic should be against the law, however I do believe that the second should. I am prepared to be open-minded on this topic and would be interested in any evidence that supports both sides of the argument. |
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