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eireann
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:37 am Post subject:

Even if it's a mathematical illusion I don't think I could ever bring myself to believe it, since I'm extremely, extremely biased against math. Laughing

See, as a person who studies literature and the arts, my main interest is in the influence of society, the human behavior, the human mind, all of these things without necessarily delving into scientific realms. We study each individual realizing that he is unique, and oftentimes we don't expect to find a clear-cut answer to a question.

Paddy Landau
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:49 am Post subject:

I've just read an article by Randy Gage. He starts the article with:

Randy Gage wrote:

Why are so many people sick, depressed and broke?
Because on a subconscious level — they don’t believe they are worthy.

It's an interesting belief. To what extent does that ring true for you?

Paddy

Gandalf
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject:

Paddy Landau wrote:

It's an interesting belief. To what extent does that ring true for you?
Paddy

Well going along with a train of thought created in another thread, we are what we eat... then this means we are also what we think...

It makes perfect sense, probably a little on the complex side and wide open to lots of debate.. but yep, I guess.

How about you?

Paddy Landau
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:

Gandalf wrote:

How about you?

I feel that it's more complicated than that.

For some people, yes, that will give a good way to approach it, but for others, not.

Depression is a catch-all phrase that covers many different variations, and each person will have his own unique circumstances; some medical, some mental, and some (probably most) a combination.

Here's a question: Do you think you can fake depression? According to an article I read a few days ago, researchers can now detect depression through an MRI scan. Can you fake depression well enough to be able to fool that? (I don't know the answer, of course. It's your opinion I'm after.)

Paddy

Gandalf
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject:

Paddy Landau wrote:

Here's a question: Do you think you can fake depression? According to an article I read a few days ago, researchers can now detect depression through an MRI scan. Can you fake depression well enough to be able to fool that? (I don't know the answer, of course. It's your opinion I'm after.)

Paddy

I am trying to locate something that might be a reasonable example of faking depression, however I can not. I will say this though, when it comes to putting it on, if people are faking happiness, this is easier to spot, is it not?

What is in Polarity of depression? Is this Polarity considered to have any dangers, as the equal opposite?

hypno-therapist
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject:

Paddy Landau wrote:

Interesting...

I know that using a PET scan you can see either a high or low metabolism rate in areas such as the orbital cortex and the caudate nuclei. Some scientists even believe that this causes depression, however I think that it is more of a result of being depressed. The evidence suggests that for most the cause of depression is not biological but environmental and behavioral, this then in turn leads to bio-chemical changes - the types we see on scans!

Trudy
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you?

Paddy Landau wrote:

Well, here's a good point. If something is good for the survival of a species, it will tend to continue even if unpleasant.

So, why does the human race suffer depression?

The BBC reports on a possible reason:

Is depression good for you?

Next question: Do animals suffer depression?

Paddy

Interesting article. It expresses some of the thoughts I have had for years surrounding mental health issues. like depression.

I think depression is the mind's way of protecting us from being overwhelmed and making us aware that things are not as they should be.

The industrial age insists that humans function like machines, which is impossible and is leading to increased instances of depression in the general population. Citing the break down of families and close social ties misses the mark and tends to lead to the "if women returned to the home" and "good old days" wistfulness that bears more than a bit of inhumanity, directed at women.

Denial of our human, and humane, needs seems to be the broadest reason for increased depression. Whether through religion or work, institutions seeking to eradicate the needs for rest, nondestructive expression of anger, and to feel valued regardless of gender or sexual preference, insult the human condition with no end in sight.

I have no idea how this might be ameliorated, but these things that "are not as they should be", should concern us all, whether they depress us or not.

By the way, I think animals get depressed, but they are allowed time to deal with it.

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Paddy Landau
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you?

Trudy wrote:

The industrial age insists that humans function like machines, which is impossible and is leading to increased instances of depression in the general population.

Well, a human is a machine. The problem, perhaps, is when someone expects a human to act like a different type of machine; one without emotions, maybe, or one without a home life.

Trudy wrote:

I think animals get depressed, but they are allowed time to deal with it.

Good point. In some cases, people get depressed when they're constantly busy and don't take time out for themselves.

Unfortunately, some people get depressed even though they do take time out for themselves.

Paddy

PhoenixDawn
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:08 am Post subject:

I've read these threads with interest.

In the past, I have suffered many major and minor bouts of depression since 12yrs old, and now I only have the occasional 'down' mood from time to time which I consider 'normal' for the majority of people.

This is such a multi-faceted discussion and has already been noted to show so many different routes, it's fascinating.

In pursuit of my recovery, firstly , I acknowledged a psychological context, and now, when I'm down, I'm able to ask myself what does this feeling want - exemplifying that it is an emotion requiring action on my part to relieve something that is out of balance for me/my core values.

I also recognise that I had a strong 'cultural' conflict in my upbringing which affected my psychological map of the world via negative orientated parenting and social circle.

Yet I am also fascinated by the whole Universal Mind concept, with the individual being the Creator of their Reality, and whether this can be interpreted into a meaning of the individual generating issues in their lives in order to provide a massive learning experience albeit painful.

It's become such a popular concept that I'm amused to see that an accident recovery company is now using this as a theme for their advertising.

zerzis
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject:

According to me, depression is just a state of mind. We are depressed about a thing or two but when the effect of that thing gets normalised then we become normal. Its not necessarily an emotional imbalance as someone said earlier. If suppose you have failed in an exam and you are depressed, then once you realize that you have another chance and you score good marks in next attempt that depression is gone. Now in this case emotional imbalance never comes to play. Faling in exam and fear of loosing a good career is an example of reality and not emotions.

PhoenixDawn
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:43 am Post subject:

Hi Zerzis

I hear what you are saying.

What do you think about the idea that

"you are unable to have a thought without an emotion being attached to it"

that is a theme for a number of therapeutic practice/philosophies?

Paddy Landau
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:29 am Post subject:

PhoenixDawn wrote:

"you are unable to have a thought without an emotion being attached to it"

That's a basic premise of NLP.

Any sensory stimulus -- and that includes any imagined stimulus (which in turn includes any thought) -- comes with an emotional attachment. The formal name for this is an "anchor".

A complex thought is a stream or combination of atomic thoughts, and thus carries a multitude of anchors that trigger emotional states.

Paddy

PhoenixDawn
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:53 am Post subject:

Hmmm, this I know and understand. I was curious as to Zersis' thoughts on this as a result of the comments re Reality vs Emotions.

Over to you Zersis?

hypno-therapist
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:25 am Post subject:

I was think about this last night following a debate with a few mates of mine...

I have it in my mind now that depression is not good for you - on any level.

However; coming out of it and developing and growing as a human being is fantastic. This is the same for any type of suffering. In fact I am convinced that it is one of the best ways for a human to grow.

PhoenixDawn
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 9:34 am Post subject:

So, reading this, I'm a little bemused ....

Quote:

I have it in my mind now that depression is not good for you - on any level.

However; coming out of it and developing and growing as a human being is fantastic. This is the same for any type of suffering. In fact I am convinced that it is one of the best ways for a human to grow.

The way I'm reading this is that it's not good for you, however, it has its benefits.

Is this what you mean?

I could be having a 'blonde morning' when it comes to understanding

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