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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:05 am Post subject: Is depression good for you? |
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Well, here's a good point. If something is good for the survival of a species, it will tend to continue even if unpleasant.
So, why does the human race suffer depression?
The BBC reports on a possible reason:
Is depression good for you?
Next question: Do animals suffer depression?
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | So, why does the human race suffer depression?
Next question: Do animals suffer depression?
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It seems that suffering from the blues, depression, sadness, madness, anger, joy, love, happiness, regret are all a natural part of life, we are very much like animals in the way that we do almost hybernate in the winter and wait for the summer before feeling much better.
This makes me think about people living on the equator, I wonder if they get miserable, in some parts of the equator the sun rises and stays risen for a large part of a 24 hr period?
'Human' we may be, but like the animals we are at the mercy of nature?
Obvioulsy many cases are a bit more complex than that but its a factor is it not? |
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | | Is depression good for you? |
Great question. There are a few types of depression, so it would be a very complex answer that I would have to give. Of course in many cases there are what are referred to as 'secondary gains' which are in someway positive for the sufferer, however usually detrimental to the persons recovery if not dealt with.
I wonder what others will have to say?
| Paddy Landau wrote: | | Next question: Do animals suffer depression? |
Hmm... This is a whole discussion by itself. Of course the logical answer would be yes! Dogs that obsessively lick there paws which can lead to them having dermatitis show signs of depression. Also I have read on occasion that moneys have shown the same decrease in metabolic activity in their brains as humans do when they are depressed. Having said that though a chimps DNA make-up is believed to be somewhere between 90-98% that of a humans! |
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| Gandalf wrote: | | Obvioulsy many cases are a bit more complex than that but its a factor is it not? |
Sunlight can be a factor in SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, which in itself is often described as type of depression.
As someone that has suffered quite chronic depression in the past, whether the sun was shining or not made little difference. I did however read once that people in the Mediterranean are less likely to suffer from depression, however this could be linked with food, education, parenting, society and culture.
It is plain to see that in places like the UK, US and Canada that depression is on the increase. Is this natural? My answer would be - I think it is two things. 'Man made problems' that have called for 'mans innate responses' = increase in mental health issues. Obviously this is not going to ring true for all cases, but certainly for a few. |
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: |
Sunlight can be a factor in SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, which in itself is often described as type of depression. |
This sounds quite natural does it not?
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As someone that has suffered quite chronic depression in the past, whether the sun was shining or not made little difference. |
This sounds like a complex case does it not?
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It is plain to see that in places like the UK, US and Canada that depression is on the increase. Is this natural? |
Are any of these the places that I am referring to that are on the equator, that have most of a 24hr period in sunlight?
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My answer would be - I think it is two things. 'Man made problems' that have called for 'mans innate responses' = increase in mental health issues. Obviously this is not going to ring true for all cases, but certainly for a few. |
So to live a more 'Natural' way of life might be the answer to these 'Man made problems' ?
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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| Gandalf wrote: | | hypno-therapist wrote: |
Sunlight can be a factor in SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, which in itself is often described as type of depression. |
This sounds quite natural does it not?
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As someone that has suffered quite chronic depression in the past, whether the sun was shining or not made little difference. |
This sounds like a complex case does it not?
| hypno-therapist wrote: |
It is plain to see that in places like the UK, US and Canada that depression is on the increase. Is this natural? |
Are any of these the places that I am referring to that are on the equator, that have most of a 24hr period in sunlight?
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My answer would be - I think it is two things. 'Man made problems' that have called for 'mans innate responses' = increase in mental health issues. Obviously this is not going to ring true for all cases, but certainly for a few. |
So to live a more 'Natural' way of life might be the answer to these 'Man made problems' ?
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: Is depression good for you? |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | Gandalf wrote: | | hypno-therapist wrote: |
Sunlight can be a factor in SAD or Seasonal Affective Disorder, which in itself is often described as type of depression. |
This sounds quite natural does it not?
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As someone that has suffered quite chronic depression in the past, whether the sun was shining or not made little difference. |
This sounds like a complex case does it not?
| hypno-therapist wrote: |
It is plain to see that in places like the UK, US and Canada that depression is on the increase. Is this natural? |
Are any of these the places that I am referring to that are on the equator, that have most of a 24hr period in sunlight?
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My answer would be - I think it is two things. 'Man made problems' that have called for 'mans innate responses' = increase in mental health issues. Obviously this is not going to ring true for all cases, but certainly for a few. |
So to live a more 'Natural' way of life might be the answer to these 'Man made problems' ?
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eireann Starter Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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Phew, this is a tough one, and I can see you guys have kind of descended down a path into different areas already!
Well, to go back to the original question, I wouldn't say that depression is a good thing. For one thing, not everyone goes through one, and for those who suffer from it, they try to find the path to recovery. Oh, and of course, it is essential that we first define exactly what kind of depression we're talking about before delving any further into the subject.  |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| eireann wrote: | | ... I wouldn't say that depression is a good thing... |
Pain is your body's message that something is wrong and needs fixing.
What if...
... Depression is a message that something is wrong emotionally, and needs fixing? If a person is not living according to his own ethics, beliefs and values, and is unaware of this, then perhaps the body creates depression to say, "Hey, buster, wake up: Do something about this!"
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | | Depression is a message that something is wrong emotionally, and needs fixing? If a person is not living according to his own ethics, beliefs and values, and is unaware of this, then perhaps the body creates depression to say, "Hey, buster, wake up: Do something about this!" |
Interesting theory!
I am sure that people who suffer depression and then overcome it, make the best out of their experiences. Thus it is something that is partially positive, however this would not be the case of every type of depression.
Also... Depression may be a sign that something else is wrong such as certain types of mental health issues that are known to have depression as a symptom. This was it could also be something that is on one hard positive.
Before I suffered depression I massively underestimated the havoc that it can play on ones life. Depression is one of the most disabling illness' around today. The most positive thing that comes out of it, is seeing people fight it and win. It is a battle that I myself won and I for one would like to encourage any other sufferers that may read this interesting thread to fight it too!
I remember reading somewhere that Churchill used his depression for good in his own life, however he still referred to it as his "black dog".
Paddy, just to clarify. Are you talking here about all types of depression or a specific form? Knowing this would help to guide this debate further. Here are some of the types of depression for those who are not sure what they are;
Major Depression
Dysthymia
Bipolar Depression
Atypical Depression
Psychotic Depression
Psychotic Depression
Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder
Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD)
Reactive Depression[/list] |
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | Paddy, just to clarify. Are you talking here about all types of depression or a specific form? |
I thought you'd raise that point!
I was raising an idea for those that haven't already considered it.
I'm aware that depression can have physical symptoms; I'm referring to depression that has a psychological root, rather than a medical one.
And, I'm also aware that some depressions have a combination of the two, and that even the most experienced psychiatrists can't always be sure of the primary cause.
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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I saw recently a statue in honour of the late great Tommy Cooper was unveiled in Wales, my Father is a great fan of his, he even has a brass statue of him in his sitting room (Only 14" high)
Tommy Cooper is one famous comedian out of a few comedians that famously suffered with depression, it seems that fame alone can be hard for the famous, Paul Gascoigne is another that comes to mind... Jim carrey has been known to suffer along with many other celebs...
As it says in the story in Paddy's original post, many people use the 'Black dog days' as a platform to springboard to greatness.
It is a very important not to repress emotion as it can bubble up in many ways... Do you remember the film, "Falling Down" !!  |
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eireann Starter Member

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:01 am Post subject: |
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I realize that going through a depression and then overcoming it may be a positive experience. However, that doesn't mean that depression by itself is a good thing. I'm just thinking in terms of, what about the people who never go through a depression? Are they missing out on something? But it's an interesting thing to think about..  |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| eireann wrote: | | ... what about the people who never go through a depression? Are they missing out on something? |
The point I'm making is that depression (if it's non-medical) is a way for the body to tell you that something's wrong with your lifestyle and life choices.
Presumably, someone who never suffers depression either has never (yet) had those sufficiently wrong in life, or has already realised it and is attempting to work out a solution.
It's interesting that working out solutions (e.g. puzzles) tends to reduce a person's depression.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I read a paper recently, MENTAL CHEMISTRY
By Charles F. Haanel, here is an interesting (Very small part) of the paper.
Mental is defined as “of or appertaining to the mind, including intellect, feeling, and will, or the entire rationalnature.”
Science is knowledge gained and verified by exact observation and correct thinking.
Mental chemistry is, therefore, the science which treats of the changes which material conditions undergo through the operations of the mind, verified by exact observation and correct thinking.
As the transformations which are brought about in applied chemistry are the result of the orderly combination of materials, it follows that mental chemistry brings about results in a like manner.
Any conceivable number may be formed with the Arabic numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0.
Any conceivable thought may be expressed with the 26 letters of the alphabet.
Any conceivable thing can be organized with the 14 elements and always and only by the proper grouping of electrons into molecules.
When two or more molecules are grouped a new individuality is created, and this individuality which has been called into being possesses characteristics which are not possessed by either of the elements which gave it being.
Thus one atom of sodium and one of chlorine give us salt, and this combination alone can give us salt, and no other combination of elements can give us salt, and salt is something very different from either of the elements of which it is composed.
What is true in the inorganic world is likewise true in the organic--certain conscious processes will produce certain effects, and the result will invariably be the same. The same thought will always be followed by the same consequence, and no other thought will serve the purpose.
This must necessarily be true because the principle must exist independently of the organs through which they function. Light must exist--otherwise there could be no eye. Sound must exist--otherwise there could be no ear. Mind must exist--otherwise there could be no brain.
Mental action is therefore the interaction of the individual upon the Universal Mind, and as the Universal Mind
is the intelligence which pervades all space and animates all living things, this mental action and reaction is the law of causation.
It is the Universal Chemist, but the principle of causation does not obtain in the individual mind but in the Universal Mind. It is not an objective faculty but a subjective process.
The individual may, however, bring the power into manifestation and as the possible combinations of thought are infinite, the results are seen in an infinite variety of conditions and experiences.
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It might not be as clear cut as we think, thought, or realised but maybe Einstein was on to something, its all a mathematical Illusion...
What do you think? |
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