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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 490 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Ethics of confidentiality |
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At first glance, it may seem obvious that our ethics as hypnotherapists include confidentiality and privacy for our clients.
On another (unrelated) forum, a professional was asking some advice about a client who had stated, clearly and unambiguously, the intent to kill his ex-wife.
What would you do in such a case? It would be interesting to know how the laws differ between countries.
(One example, in the USA some years ago, was of a man convicted of murder. The real murderer had confessed to his psychiatrist, but the psychiatrist's testimony was thrown out of court for technical reasons -- client confidentiality! The man was still "found guilty" on appeal, even though he was obviously innocent.)
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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Paddy,
Here is a great question. I wounder if many would know the answer?
Of course you would have to be fully aware that the persons statement meant that they were going to act. As you will know there are certainly mental health issues that will cause individuals to believe statements like this that are actually not true. For instance I have spoken to people with a condition called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that actually believed that they were going to murder someone, however the person would never have acted on the urges or thoughts that they had.
If a mental health professional would have broken his confidentiality then this guy would have received more hassle than help as the condition is not widely understood in the various public services such as the police and our judicial system.
If you are however certain then you have legal obligations to fulfill. I saw this on the Mind website that might explain those obligations a little clearer than I can:
| Quote: | Processing without consent in the public interest
Data may also be processed without consent if it is ‘in the substantial public interest’ and is necessary to prevent or help detect an unlawful act, or to provide protection against other forms of improper behaviour, if seeking the person’s consent would interfere with these purposes . So, for example, if someone is suspected of criminal behaviour there is no need to seek permission before passing his or her confidential information to the police, provided such disclosure is necessary for the investigation.
‘The substantial public interest’ means that the potential benefit from the disclosure must outweigh the harm done to the individual by breaching his or her confidentiality; disclosure without consent following a minor piece of misbehaviour may not be reasonable. |
Before you put yourself in any situation where you might have to deal with clients with serious mental health issues you should be well aware of your obligations and what to look for and when to refer them on the a chartered psychologist.
Thanks for the thread Paddy, I am sure that it will help a great many people. |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 490 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Just a couple of points of clarification before this thread continues:
| hypno-therapist wrote: | For instance I have spoken to people with a condition called Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that actually believed that they were going to murder someone, however the person would never have acted on the urges or thoughts that they had...
If you are however certain then you have legal obligations to fulfill. |
Well, of course we can never be certain, so we need to act within the balance of probability, and that can be a hard call to make.
The important distinction, I think you are referring to, is the difference between belief (in this case a deluded belief) and intent. Whilst it is sometimes obvious in which category those thoughts belong, other times it isn't obvious.
Another important distinction is which country's laws are you quoting. I believe that your quote ("Processing without consent in the public interest...") comes from UK law, and would not necessarily apply elsewhere.
We need to know the difference between personal ethics, professional ethics (which override personal ethics) and the law (which overrides everything else).
This topic highlights the importance of having peer support to make these tricky decisions.
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Barry Thain Starter Member

Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: Confidentiality |
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This is a difficult area. I think it's best to decide your own policy and stick to it.
For example, the psychotherapists in an institution with which I am associated are mandated to tell their patients, at the outset "If you tell me that you are a threat to yourself or anyone else I am obliged to report that to the relevant authorities."
I don't say that. I think saying that is most likely to impose a stricture on the patient which may act as an impediment to therapy.
The alternative is to adopt the sanctity of the confessional, wherein everything is confidential however unsavoury. This may be the more productive approach, but risks censure if the patient commits some heinous act they'd told the therapist about 'in confidence'.
There probably is no right answer. I see myself primarily as an agent of my patient's well-being, rather than as an agent of law-enforcement. Just as a war photographer is there to record the atrocities rather than prevent them, I deal with the currency of mind rather than the potential consequences; I think.
However, I twice saw a 16 year old boy whom I found to be the living embodiment of evil, and bereft of redeeming qualities. Although I declined to treat, his mother wanted me to talk to his GP in the hope that he might be sectioned. As he left he pointed at me and said "If anything happens to me, I know where you live." There are reasons I won't go into which made this a seriously ominous threat.
I agonised for a week before calling the GP. And the GP said "There's nothing I can do. We just have to wait for him to do something dreadful." Police had been called to the house several times previously. The boy had punched the mother in the head so often she'd lost count. She'd woken up with him standing over her with a raised claw hammer while he ejaculated on her face, and the 'authorities' wanted to wait for something bad to happen.
Our starting pint has to be acting in the best interests of our patient. Beyond that, it's a personal call. And certainly a case for reference to ones clinical supervisor.
Difficult.
Best wishes
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katharina Starter Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Confidentiality |
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| Barry Thain wrote: | I agonised for a week before calling the GP. And the GP said "There's nothing I can do. We just have to wait for him to do something dreadful." Police had been called to the house several times previously. The boy had punched the mother in the head so often she'd lost count. She'd woken up with him standing over her with a raised claw hammer while he ejaculated on her face, and the 'authorities' wanted to wait for something bad to happen.
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This is positively... well, "shocking" isn't strong enough of a word. But I don't have a better one. Did you ever find out if *anyone* was able to help that kid? Waiting for a disaster to happen didn't seem very wise! Doesn't his country (sorry, I didn't look for your location) have juvenile detention centers or something?
Grrrr.... that really riles me. "Sorry Ma'am, we can't do anything for you, but rest assured that if he kills you, we got him."  |
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Right said Thread |
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I believe that the notion of confidentiality in the treatment of children and their families as practised 'among and between' professionals is vastly overplayed, to the detriment of children and of the interests of minimal intervention aimed at maximum benefit. One element of such maximum benefit is that all therapeutic agents should know what the others are doing so as to regulate their own actions accordingly. In any case, public accountability for all actions, which we regard as the chief ethical safeguard for the children and their care-givers, demands the sharing of information. If we do not believe in the integrity of other people involved in the treatment of the child, we should not allow them to participate in treatment in the first place.
— MASUD HOGHUGHI |
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R1986 Starter Member

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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I think this issue would mainly come down to the professional judgement of the hypnotherapist in question. If there is a clear intent to kill or do harm then it is in the best interest of the patient to break confidentiality for the safety of everyone involved. Still, I'm not a practicing hypnotist so this may seem more black and white to the outside observer. |
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