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10cents Starter Member

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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:34 am Post subject: Cults a form of hypnosis? |
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Hi!
So are these cults a form of mass hypnosis? Like those in Japan and that shoot-out in the US. A lot of these cults often have intelligent members so it's not logical for them to follow such irrational behavior.
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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 883 Location: Witney UK
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:39 am Post subject: |
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It sure is possible. I spent some time looking into cults and found that this is plausible, but more research needs to be done. Two ministries that certainly stuck out to me was Jim Jones, The Peoples Temple and John Arnott's (who I have met personally) Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship.
My original investigation highlighted a cause of concern at the rates of depression and mental health issues that follows may be experiencing and if there was a direct connection.
What are your thoughts? |
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Paddy Landau Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 490 Location: Oxford, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | My original investigation highlighted a cause of concern at the rates of depression and mental health issues that follows may be experiencing and if there was a direct connection. |
It's difficult to say...
Did the cult cause the depression? Or did the depression cause vulnerability to the cult?
As you say, more research would help.
Paddy |
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crunkyjens Starter Member

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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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I believe that both cases can be present. The cult somewhat caused depression, but also someone in a depressed state would have vulnerability to the cult. A lot of time people who are depressed just want to fit into a group, so they therefore will seek out a group of people, i.e. a cult. Although a lot of times I think they not be fully comprehending the cult's status or believe that they are a cult into they delve furthur into it. If that makes any sense.
So I think both issues can be present at the same time. |
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Gandalf 10% Member

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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Cults a form of hypnosis? |
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| 10cents wrote: | Hi!
So are these cults a form of mass hypnosis? Like those in Japan and that shoot-out in the US. A lot of these cults often have intelligent members so it's not logical for them to follow such irrational behavior.
Thanks. |
The first and most important step toward success is the feeling that we can succeed. So if you are offered a suggestion, sooner or later you have to agree with it to a certain degree... Repetition has been the frontrunner in advertising here in the western world.. its all very covert..
The shoot out in the US.. I think that alot of gun crime is related to exposure.. Eg, having played a 'Video Game' where the object of the game is to shoot kill steal and call it a fun experience? well its barmy!
but they sell - to people who have never ever even contemplated what they are exposing themselves and more importantly their kids too... |
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brandon05 Starter Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the people that are the so called leaders of cults do practice some form of hypnosis. I think they do prey on people that are lacking something in their life and the cult attaches onto that and goes from there. A lot of people would be able to look at a cult for what it is but those are not the people that tend to join. It is more the ones that need to believe in something or someone to make what they are lacking in their life better that they believe in what they are being told. |
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katharina Starter Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Paddy Landau wrote: | Did the cult cause the depression? Or did the depression cause vulnerability to the cult?
As you say, more research would help.
Paddy |
Well now that's an excellent question, Paddy. I've done a wee bit of research on this myself. I won't mention the specific cult involved but I had to find out more about it for some crisis counseling work I did.
I'd have to vote that there's not an answer to your question because *each* of those things can and do happen. People with no mental health problems get into the cults for any number of reasons and end up getting so wrapped up in the darkness that depression becomes overwhelming.
BUT there are also some vulnerable people who go *searching* for any acceptance they can find and often it's cult members who come across them in that vulnerable state and jump in to take advantage. |
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R1986 Starter Member

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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| It could be considered some form of hypnosis probably. Cults of personality usually take advantage of people's mental weaknesses in order to help them feel good and like they belong to a proper cause even if it's a horrible one that must wouldn't agree with. |
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katharina Starter Member

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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| R1986 wrote: | | It could be considered some form of hypnosis probably. Cults of personality usually take advantage of people's mental weaknesses in order to help them feel good and like they belong to a proper cause even if it's a horrible one that must wouldn't agree with. |
Could have sworn I answered this post a day or two ago but now yours is the last reply. Strange. Anyhow, yes, the feeling of belonging is a big part of the cult mentality. It's what often draws new people in and it's what keeps them there after joining. |
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beams Starter Member

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| What Jim Jones did was definitely a shock to everyone who was alive then and it still brings a shock to the people who read about it now. Personally, there's this phenomenon called the "foot-in-the-door" phenomenon which I think could have caused Jim Jones to have so many followers. This phenomenon occurs when you first agree to do something small which turns out to be something bigger. In Jim Jones' case, his followers have to give up something first. And as you stay in the cult, you give up something bigger and bigger. The followers don't notice this because everytime their sacrifices increase, it only increases a little at a time. Plus, I believe the followers also experienced insufficient external justification. They believed that the sense of belongingness they felt from the cult was enough to justify their sacrifices, and later on their life, when in fact it isn't. Jim Jones used the subjectivity of the human mind to get more and more followers. |
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