Hypno-euthanasia - Hypnosis and Euthanasia

[hypno-therapist]

Hi All,

I am starting this thread following the interesting cancer thread.

I was once ask whether you could use Hypnosis as a form of euthanasia while I was giving a radio interview. I had to say that I was unsure as I was unaware of any cases. I have also heard other whisperings from other therapists, however nothing conclusive.

I did a search on Google and came up with nothing so maybe it doesn't exist.

What do others think?

[Paul Hastings]

Hi Richard
Euthanasia and hypnosis. Thin ice.
What if we said the opportunity to live this planet with dignity.

If and only if we chose to believe that we are responsible for our lives, then we can also chose when we go.

Many years ago there was an American Hypnotist who produced a self hypnosis tape to help with leaving with dignity, I have a copy, and No I will not do copy?s for anyone. So avoid asking.

This area of hypnosis is not something that is commonalty known about or spoken about even in closed hypnosis circles.

It is most defiantly not suitable for those trained in junior school hypnosis.

The controversy that it would cause and the problems that the less advanced would create for hypnotists could rock our incomes.

My personal belief is that it does happen and there are hypnotists personally known to me who are able to help in this area.

[hypno-therapist]

Hi Paul,

So is it Hypnosis or is this just an element in the process? Are you able to go into a bit more detail as to what the basic process is?

Also, how could it potentially rock our incomes?

This could make for an interesting topic!

Has anyone here actually used this process with someone?

[The Fantomaya]

Euthanasia. That word scares the hell out of me.

I am against euthanasia so I don't think this is a very good thing.

[hypno-therapist]

Hmm...

Yes well... We are not discussing the rights or wrongs of it - just whether it is possible!

[The Fantomaya]

[hypno-therapist]

Hi Paul,

[Rick_Lefever]

Hi Richard,

Perhaps it's one of those myths involved in hypnosis literature, but I have always operated under the assumption that the mind system observed the 'prime directive' of survival. Most therapies I've been involved with have to do with correcting an immature circuit of the mind's faulty conclusions regarding survival. That is, a client smokes because, at some past point, he or she decided it was necessary for survival and well being. A client created a phobia to protect him self, etc.
While there is no doubt hypnosis can alleviate pain, I doubt it can actually be used as a method for 'checking out'. Just my thoughts....no research I know of to back it up.

Rick L

[hypno-therapist]

Yeah Rick I hear ya!

Just wanted to explore the possibilities.

I was hoping that Paul woulf have come back with the name of the guy in the States that made that recording.

[Paul Hastings]

The Angle of Death
by
Barry Konekof.
Surame might be incorrect spelling.

Will dig out one of his tapes tomorrow.

Blessings
Paul

[Paul Hastings]

Hi Rick
The 'prime directive' of survival does not exclude death.
Many of the games that the subconscious mind plays are not logical to our conscious mind.
It appears the the boss has a different idea as to what death is. Maybe similar to viruses.

I have known clients who have died because of this.

I was with two a few hours before they moved on, they both said similar things about the nature of there illness.

I have also been associated with clients who have given then selves strokes and ME and during therapy ( a name I dislike by the way) explained that they now knew why they had created the illness.

Popular misunderstanding has it that our subconscious mind will keep us alive and look after us.
My experience does not support this.
Our boss is not necessary a friendly thing.

Blessings
Paul.

[Rick_Lefever]

Hello Paul.

Your experience surpasses mine, so I cede the discussion point to you.

However, the idea of subconsciously pursuing survival through the process of death posesses enough illogic to ruin my digestion both consciously and otherwise. Pure speculation on my part, but I will say the the clients I have worked with that have been close to death, and admittedly there have not been many, have never gone 'softly' into the long night. My conclusion, albeit based on a small sample group, is that there is a part of us-- pre-language, pre-concept, pre-pretty much everything, that will challenge 'the boss' herself to keep heart beating and lungs breathing. This part, I suspect, trumps even the most vitally confused subconscious drive. We can perhaps view diseases, and organic break-downs like strokes, as a similar self-sabotaging behavior to suicide attempts and other dramatically destructive overt behaviors. But, it seems in the end, that all of these behaviors run counter to a primal, unconscious drive to live. These life negating behaviors, if successful, may overwhelm the primal drive, but not remove it. Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Rick L

[Paddy Landau]

[Rick_Lefever]

Hi Paddy,

I agree with all of your post, and I am jealous of your articulate writing style. However, I still draw a different conclusion as to whether or not hypnosis could be used to euthanize.

Indeed, humans are very good at crafting ever more complex ethical structures that affect behavior, consciously and unconsciously. The example you cited, a mother giving up her life for her child, is a pro-life choice, not a death choice. The mother values her child's life more than she does her own. Even so, I have never heard of a mother simply 'giving up the ghost' as an act of will for her child, or for any other reason. She needs to take an action of some kind that results in her death. If I take a bullet for you, as an act of valor, I am not giving up my primal urge to live, I am temporarily over-riding it. If I seek to do myself in by shooting myself, again, I am acting according to my own personal complex psychic programing. This programming allows me to temporarily violate my urge to live. However, in both of those cases, if the bullet misses vital parts, my mind and body will do everything it can to survive. The higher cortical processes that result in my complex ethical shennanigans dissolve with that first unconscious producing drop in blood pressure from the trauma.

So, can we intend to euthanize ourselves....sure. Will our body/mind simply sit idly by in obeyance of our desire and hypnotic programming to simply pass away...not unless we've recently had a prescription filled by the good doctor Kavorkian. But then it isn't the hypnosis, but the cadaverous cocktail that snuffs our flame.

At least in my humble opinion.

As to where my assumption came from...I guess from my Hypnosis 101 class--not, of course, that that makes it accurate .

Smile,

[hypno-therapist]

WOW! This has turned into an interesting thread...

Paul - did you find the right spelling of this 'Barry' guy? I am still interested in looking into this futher.