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vigo Starter Member

Joined: 18 Dec 2006 Posts: 48
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: Smoking - conditioning? |
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I read something interesting today. Can't remember where the article was posted but it was basically postulating that sellers of "stop-smoking" products (think gum, patches, hit-men, whatever) are making it harder for people to stop by conditioning them to think that it is difficult.
They use all the hypnotic tricks. Engaging the imagination (describing symptoms in graphic detail). Proof. And so on. Of course hypnotists do this too, but generally to get the patient to stop smoking with one session!
Comments?
(For the interests of full disclosure my wife quit smoking three years ago with the holy trio: nicorette lozenges, chocolate and nagging!) |
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John Guanzon Starter Member

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I recently quit, I had been smoking for 5 years. I used the pacth for two days then decided I would be strong! lol, I hated life for a few days, but it has been about 6 months and I am feeling great, not looking back now. |
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Jay Starter Member

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Posts: 20
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| John Guanzon wrote: | | I recently quit, I had been smoking for 5 years. I used the pacth for two days then decided I would be strong! lol, I hated life for a few days, but it has been about 6 months and I am feeling great, not looking back now. |
I tried gum when I first started trying to quit but something didnt agree with me and made me throw up.
I found it much easier on my own and seeing how much money I saved rather than buying products and wasting money on things that arent very neccessary. |
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The Fantomaya Starter Member

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Odom's Spire
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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I quit smoking a year ago. I'm pretty proud of myself. You see, I had been smoking since highschool. So, that's around 7 years of smoking. I didn't use any of those quit-smoking substances or drugs or whatever things. Just willpower baby! Hah.
They say you lose an average of 10 minutes per cigarette smoked. I already lost 150 days of my life  |
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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 884 Location: Witney UK
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Hi The Fantomaya
Congrats on giving up smoking!!
You might feel glum about the damage that you have done, however you should be really excited that because of your actions it is never going to be 151 or 200 days off! And the other thing is that over the years your body pretty much returns to normal and repairs most of itself - it is even better for you as you are still young. |
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lightseeker Starter Member

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 51
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Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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I don't believe in substituting an addiction with an another, no matter how much healthier the alternative is. It's kind of lose-win for me, as compared to learning to fight the urges of addiction altogether (via self-hypnosis, or, I dunno, some religious practice?) which'd be win-win in the long run, because you'd learn and you'd know you can fight any kind of addiction you might develop to anything.  |
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hypno-therapist Site Moderator

Joined: 30 Nov 2006 Posts: 884 Location: Witney UK
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Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| lightseeker wrote: | I don't believe in substituting an addiction with an another, no matter how much healthier the alternative is. It's kind of lose-win for me, as compared to learning to fight the urges of addiction altogether (via self-hypnosis, or, I dunno, some religious practice?) which'd be win-win in the long run, because you'd learn and you'd know you can fight any kind of addiction you might develop to anything.  |
Hmm... Well I sort of agree with you, however when I change something in my life then I do see if something good could go in its place. Seems like a common sense thing to do to me. |
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Fargo Starter Member

Joined: 05 Jan 2007 Posts: 72
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Well I believe the product itself is using a hypnosis technique. Most of us, or maybe just me would think 100% positive that the gum or patch would help us quit. Therefore, we will not smoke because the idea of the gum and patch is set in our mind. That is what I think, and that is also what I think sometimes when I purchase a product that would help me in a way. |
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TheBooster Starter Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 31
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Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| I quite agree with Fargo's thinking. When I go to the doctor, I expect a cure, don't you all? Comparing this to hypnosis techniques in stop smoking products, isn't it similar? |
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C.Button196 Starter Member

Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 19 Location: Oldham, England
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| TheBooster wrote: | | I quite agree with Fargo's thinking. When I go to the doctor, I expect a cure, don't you all? Comparing this to hypnosis techniques in stop smoking products, isn't it similar? |
I must ask, do you always get a cure whenyou go to the doctor, I know that I don't. I don't believe that in this life there is ANYTHING that is guaranteed to work, at least in my case there isn't.
N.R.T. requires willpower to help it work, Ive tried several times, but not really wanted to stop 100% at the time.
I have been smoking for nearly 30 years now and I smoke 20 a day, and I hate to think how many days I've"lost" to smoking.
What I really want to know is, if I really do want to stop but I'm very stubborn by nature, is it likely that hypnotherapy would help me to stop. |
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katharina Starter Member

Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 61
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="C.Button196"] | TheBooster wrote: |
I must ask, do you always get a cure whenyou go to the doctor, I know that I don't. I don't believe that in this life there is ANYTHING that is guaranteed to work, at least in my case there isn't.
N.R.T. requires willpower to help it work, Ive tried several times, but not really wanted to stop 100% at the time.
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Doctors aren't miracle workers but they have a much better chance of helping a patient if there's a desire to be "cured". Attitude... it makes a world of difference, even in patients who are terminal. No different for the smoking issue... a doctor can't "fix" it if you really don't want to stop. |
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hummingbird42256 Starter Member

Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 11 Location: ky
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| I quit smoking after 35 years. I am amazed that I did it without any aids at all. I did go to a hypnosis session as a group but left early becasue they had a break and everyone including me and my sister went outside to.you guessed it, to smoke!Thats when we decided to leave. I didn't think replaceing smoking with a nicotin replacement would help.I would still be addicted to the replacement ,wouldn't I? I had a book I took form the health department.I read that book several times and it conditioned me just like you said the adds and things do. After I conditioned myself to how easy it will be to quit once you really want to it isn't that hard. If I can quit anyone can. Yes, I do think the ads make you believe that quitting smoking is hard,but guess what?It really isn't,3 days after you quit the nicotin has left your body and all you have is the mental addiction. |
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katharina Starter Member

Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 61
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| hummingbird42256 wrote: | I quit smoking after 35 years. I am amazed that I did it without any aids at all.
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After I conditioned myself to how easy it will be to quit once you really want to it isn't that hard. If I can quit anyone can. Yes, I do think the ads make you believe that quitting smoking is hard,but guess what?It really isn't,3 days after you quit the nicotin has left your body and all you have is the mental addiction. |
Ya know, you're exactly right although I haven't heard a lot of people agreeing with us. I stopped, too, after a rather long time of smoking and as soon as I got to the "that's IT!" part, it just worked and I never once slipped. It didn't even cause a lot of problems but I have to say that now even after three years, there's a physical "longing" when I smell the smoke or... uh.... well, even when I get into a conversation like this.
I won't go back, though. Can't actually because it's just not wise with an oncologist in the family and having to face him every day.  |
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jamesj Starter Member

Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 44 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| katharina wrote: | | hummingbird42256 wrote: | I quit smoking after 35 years. I am amazed that I did it without any aids at all.
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After I conditioned myself to how easy it will be to quit once you really want to it isn't that hard. If I can quit anyone can. Yes, I do think the ads make you believe that quitting smoking is hard, but guess what? It really isn't, 3 days after you quit the nicotine has left your body and all you have is the mental addiction. |
Ya know, you're exactly right although I haven't heard a lot of people agreeing with us. I stopped, too, after a rather long time of smoking and as soon as I got to the "that's IT!" part, it just worked and I never once slipped. It didn't even cause a lot of problems but I have to say that now even after three years, there's a physical "longing" when I smell the smoke or... uh.... well, even when I get into a conversation like this. : oops:
I won't go back, though. Can't actually because it's just not wise with an oncologist in the family and having to face him every day. : lol: |
Well done you guys, you some how got over the inertia of social hypnosis and social conditioning and you disobeyed all those ancient inhibiting laws. I am sure that your heads did not fall off or anything like that for not following the rules.
I had better explain the rules incase anyone else breaks them and come to a terrible faith like having a more enjoyable life. I think the most widely discussed rule is that you will put on weight and you also have to take up eating sweets gum etc Then there are lesser rules like; you cant stop without nicotine replacement i.e. patches, gum etc you cant stop cold turkey, you cant get over the cravings, you cant become a non-smoker, you cant, cant, cant forever.
Who the hell made up all these crazy rules? If you know who made them up you are honor bound to follow them. Then if you don’t know who made them up you can ignore all of them with no fear of reprisal. If you are free of all these rules would it be far easier to give up? But who enforces these mad rules? YOU and no one else so dump the rules and dump the coffin nails.
There is slightly more than these rules but nothing that can’t be got around, among the many harming chemicals in tobacco there are a few little discreet addictive ones, There are also cravings but like most other things in life if you give them attention they take on a huge life of their own, give them the attention they deserve NONE AT ALL.
Then you have the problem of wanting to give up smoking but you don’t want to be without the pseudo pleasure of having a smoke another word for this is denial, if you want to give up it has to be 100% and do it when you are ready no set dates just give up when the time is right, but tomorrow rather than next week.
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ashleyc8705 Starter Member

Joined: 17 Nov 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Ugh my fiance smokes and I hate it! We have tried everything but he just keeps going back to it. It's very frustrating! I told him once we have kids he will never be allowed to smoke again haha! |
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