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littlefranciscan
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 Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:34 am Post subject: Thanks for saving me from foolishness |
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| I like your response, Richard. I think the idea of closing my eyes and picturing something beautiful, etc is more inviting. Without knowing it, I think I do some of this already: every time I get up to play the organ for Mass. I am really quite shy and people say I do so well; but, I prefer not to think of all of them there when I am playing. Each time, before I play the organ, I close my eyes and ask for help from the angels:) |
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Maine
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| That is a very lengthy and detailed article on EFT. I actually have never heard of EFT until now and understand it a bit now. So basically this EFT technique frees you from your emotions? |
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littlefranciscan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 8:33 pm Post subject: EFT |
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| I am not really to knowledgeable about EFT either; I am only learning about this technique here on this board. I am glad to read of it and many of the other techniques that are being posted here! |
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yorktune
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| I just skimmed through the article explaining the technique and understand it a bit. I am not sure if I am right but the point of this technique is to believe the technique and use good memories to change your emotions toward something? I am not sure, but I think I am warm. |
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littlefranciscan
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Good memories to erase bad memories |
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So EFT is using memories to knock out memories..Good techinique  |
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queef_beef
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| I am not quite sure that is what EFT is about, littlefranciscan. From my interpretation of this, I think it is using memories to find or create better memories. Why would you want to knock out a memory? Even though if it is bad, you need it to for you to learn from it or have proof of it. |
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littlefranciscan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:24 am Post subject: I agree |
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I am of the belief that for a positive person even the negative can turn out positive.. A positive person can pick up a piece of dirt and see beauty and a negative person ..just a worthless piece of dirt..When we go through trials they seem at times unbearable and burdensome but when we look back after a while, we can pat ourselves on the back and say "Hey I came out of that like a trooper, no major scratches or bruises.."  |
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Paddy Landau
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| queef_beef wrote: | | From my interpretation of this, I think it is using memories to find or create better memories. |
EFT is not about using memories.
It's about taking away the negative "charge" attached to anything. It could be a memory that you hold, but not necessarily.
If you read the free manual from the official EFT website, you will gain a little clarity.
www.emofree.com
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The Fantomaya
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That's a great article Richard. I really enjoyed reading it. EFT is alien to me and the article answered some of my questions.
I mentioned in my other post that I have this fear of driving. As I'm typing this, I am already feeling the fear. I don't know why I am so afraid of it. I have never been in a car accident. It's weird but it's true. I hope EFT is the solution for this. It's annoying.
Will the therapist determine the source of fear? Or it's not essential in the process? |
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Paddy Landau
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| The Fantomaya wrote: | | Will the therapist determine the source of fear? Or it's not essential in the process? |
The idea that the "source" of a problem is also the answer to the problem comes from Freud.
That idea has pretty much been disproved. NLP first made that claim formally, and indeed Richard Bandler, co-developer of NLP, never goes to the "source" of the problem (unless the client wants to know, and then Bandler does so after he's solved the problem).
The real source of the problem is not something in the past, because the past doesn't exist. The real source of the problem is what you are doing now, in the present.
How do you make yourself scared of driving? My guess is that you tell yourself stories in your head. "What if the car crashes?" You see pictures in your head: As you drive, you see a picture of the car crashing and tumbling over, killing you in the process. You make feelings in your head: You feel the fear and pain as you lose control of the car.
Notice that the fear is not a "thing". It's a process that you do to yourself. Not deliberately, of course; but nevertheless, that's what happens. It's not "because" you had an accident when you were young (for example), although that might have been when you started to do that "fear process".
EFT, NLP and hypnosis change the process that you do, so that you no longer feel the fear.
Try this as an experiment: Next time you make those pictures, say those words or feel those feelings in your head, mix them up by making them go slower or faster, as in a cartoon; remove the colour from the picture, making it black-and-white; run the pictures backwards or turn them upside-down. Change the tone of the words so that they sound like Donald Duck giggling as he says them; imagine that those Donald Duck words are coming from the ashtray instead of in your head. When you feel those feelings, make them run backwards, so instead of churning down your stomach (if that's what you feel), make them churn up instead. Then remember a very funny thing that happened last week...
Let us know what happens.
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hypno-therapist
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Hi All,
Great experiment! You can really see by comparing this nlp/hypnosis exercise with EFT that they are one of the same thing. |
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Paddy Landau
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | Great experiment! You can really see by comparing this nlp/hypnosis exercise with EFT that they are one of the same thing. |
Sorry, I should have mentioned that the exercise was not EFT.
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hypno-therapist
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Hi Paddy,
sure but when we look into why this works we can see the it works in the same way as EFT, that is if you come from the camp, that it has noting to do with meridien energy lines.  |
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Paddy Landau
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| hypno-therapist wrote: | | sure but when we look into why this works we can see the it works in the same way as EFT, that is if you come from the camp, that it has noting to do with meridien energy lines. |
Um, I'm struggling to understand that. The exercise was a mix of NLP and another method.
You're certainly correct that it has nothing to do with meridian lines.
Although EFT proponents often claim that EFT works on the meridian lines, there is some evidence that that is incorrect. The fact is that, although EFT can be seen to be working in MRI scans, no one knows why EFT works.
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hypno-therapist
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Hi Paddy,
OK lets discuss. Is it possible that EFT works for the same reason that your NLP exercise works? |
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